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perhaps it's very appropriate to have as

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a guest speaker another fellow

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researcher

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a person who did not fly a or I should

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say did not board a flying saucer for a

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ride not saying that that isn't possible

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he didn't meet a long-haired venusian

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that may also be possible

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but however the man did

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serious investigations on the Flying

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Saucer subject he did it for three years

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he was affiliated with the international

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Flying Saucer Bureau of Bridgeport

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Connecticut his communication with a

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number of groups and individuals all

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over the world

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he publishes the saucer the saucerian

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review

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which comes out in an annual I believe

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now

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these are also available in our in our

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lobby

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he's a businessman while respecting his

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community

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he's a school teacher he's a motion

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picture booking agent the only one in

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West Virginia I understand

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Mr Barker came into flying saucers

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research more or less as a skeptic he

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wanted to be convinced that's why he did

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research on it he wanted to be convinced

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either one way or another as either real

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or they're not I think he had a notion

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that perhaps they were Russian or

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perhaps owing some origin to some part

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of this world that they were not

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extraterrestrial

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I'm not going to take a stand here to

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say what his views are on it now you're

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telling himself but I think that's

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enough I'd like to introduce to you Mr

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grave Barker of Clarksburg West Virginia

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author of the new too much about flying

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saucers

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[Applause]

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thank you Don

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delegates and members of the Federation

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I hope you can hear me all right because

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I'm a little taller than the rest of you

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and the mic is down there

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if you can't someone yell and we'll try

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to turn up the volume

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I think one thing is very evident in the

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beginning that I am not one of the

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little men which you may have heard

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about

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not that they don't exist I think that's

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possible in fact uh don tells me that if

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any of you are really interested he has

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some in the back room which you may see

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for 50 cents additional a slight

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but um oh oh yes neither am I one of the

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men in the black suits I intended to

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bring along my Enlightenment which was I

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was going to wear but in leaving West

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Virginia in such a hurry to get up here

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I just plain forgot it

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that being about six feet four puts me

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into an advantage some of you may not

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have because I'm up here a little closer

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where all of those things are flying

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about

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yet it's rather strange that I have

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never personally seen one

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a fellow called me up

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oh two months ago I was doing some uh

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some television interviews at the time

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and one of the first things he asked me

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I suppose he was trying to line up some

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sort of interview it was Mr Barker have

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you ever seen a flying saucer and uh

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wanting to be completely honest about I

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said no I have not and I heard a little

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gasp at the other end here was a man who

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thought perhaps that I having being so

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greatly interested in my subject of

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flying saucers or why I hadn't seen one

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but I had to explain to them that even

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though that I haven't seen one as many

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of you have done there is no reason why

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I should discount the stories of others

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especially the many scientific reports

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or the what we would consider the most

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reliable is by reliable Observers such

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as airline pilots who are trained to

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know what they're seeing in the sky

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I think that the

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maybe I haven't seen any but certainly I

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should listen to other people

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and no matter how fantastic the story

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might sound to me at the beginning there

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is no reason for me to discount it yet

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I would have to say that I think that

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some of the Flying Saucer stories are

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the bunk now before you start throwing

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Martian brick bets or venusian

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vegetables or whatever they have up

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there at me let me explain myself I said

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I think most saucers are the bank and

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that certainly leaves me a lot of leeway

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I think that we saucer fans are some of

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us call ourselves are as greatly as

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fault as those who won't even admit to

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the possibility of sauceries a lot of us

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interpret a lot of things that we see as

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flying saucers that perhaps may not be

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so I think that perhaps half of the

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saucers are now reported are and

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although the Air Force quite a large

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bone the misinterpretations of natural

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objects such as balloons aircraft

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celestial bodies and all the other

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explanations I think that some of them

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could be explained as temperature

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inversions uh Dr Menzel Sun dogs and all

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those other natural phenomena that we

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know a little about and subsequently May

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misinterpret

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but I certainly do not discount all of

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the sightings and I think that out of

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those remaining reports we have

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something very real to go on and that's

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uh on what I have tried to base what I

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have done

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now let me reiterate that I am not here

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trying to attempt to minimize the case

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for flying saucers or to attempt to

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explain them away if I were I certainly

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wouldn't have taken a trouble to write a

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book about the subject or taking time

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off to come up here from Clarksburg West

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Virginia where I live it's quite a drive

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and I'm sure that a few people did not

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believe that there are such things as

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flying saucers you wouldn't have taken

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any trouble and you're a good time to

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come out here and listen to me tonight

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I think that at one time perhaps in 1952

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I was a great deal more skeptical as uh

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don I believe pointed out than I am

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today I find it rather hard remembering

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just what my attitude is because uh

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things change I think I was like the

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average person on the street who maybe

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just doesn't want to think about flying

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saucers or something so strange so

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unreal it upsets his everyday scheme of

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thing that he doesn't want to think

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about it after all it is a pretty hard

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job to think for some people

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well in 1952 I suppose I was like that

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at least actively interested in flying

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sauces if I saw the reports I saw her

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this Captain metal was shot down by

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temperature inversion I read about that

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but I don't suppose I thought too much

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about it and I read for the temperature

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inversions took off from the ground

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leaving large burn places on the ground

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but anyway my skepticism was uh somewhat

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changed in September of 1952 and I want

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to go into that a little before I get

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into the main part of the book they knew

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too much about flying saucers

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uh now this was a very usual day when a

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very unusual thing happened that was in

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early September 1952 in a very unusual

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year 1952 as you remember a lot of

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strange things were happening that's

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when uh we had so many reports from all

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over the country and there were a number

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of a very strange sightings reported

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involving

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things which were seen inside what

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people termed spaceships

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but anyway let's picture yourself the

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living at that time maybe it's a

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housewife if possible as a a young boy

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or a girl anywhere from nine years old

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to 17 because this is in the p is the

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people which is involves and let's

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imagine that your your kids and you're

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playing baseball at a playground about

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desk the deficit Shadows are beginning

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to creep over everything and it's

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that's at that spooky time of evening

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when you're about ready to quit playing

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but you would like to play a while

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longer but suddenly you see something

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shoot over across the sky

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it probably is a shooting star because

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that's what it looked like to you but

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the peculiar thing about this and of

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course this actually happened was that

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it seems to land on a nearby Hilltop

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well a lot of shooting stars seem to

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come down really meteorites go on over

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but sometimes they seem to come down on

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the hill but really they're going over

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and you think perhaps this is what has

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happened however you look up on the hill

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and you see a kind of light there

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whatever it has been is there it didn't

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land or come to the earth and the

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strange thing about this light is that

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it's strangely pulsing getting dim to

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bride dim to Bright

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I don't know if the these people were

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greatly frightened or not I think that

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it was just a normal uh curiosity now

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these people in Flatwoods West Virginia

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in 1952 that's what I'm talking about

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there were people who hadn't heard about

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flying saucers they were country people

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will the

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fewer advantages and than most of us

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have who live in the city their outlooks

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are are not as broad they haven't heard

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been seen as many things that they

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hadn't had television yet to educate

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them on a lot of things they certainly

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hadn't read sounds so maybe that is why

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they weren't greatly frightened

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so they went up on top of the hill to

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look at this thing

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and uh as soon as they got there they

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were so frightened almost out of their

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wits that they immediately got out of

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there as fast as they could and I think

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the best way to report something about

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this is to read you the United press

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story on the thing which I have here put

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it in my book

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I remember reading this at breakfast one

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I live in Clarksburg which is about 75

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miles from this town of Flatwoods where

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the famous Flatwoods Monster landed and

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I was reading this story police say

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Braxton monster product of mass Hysteria

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Sutton September 14th seven Braxton

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County residents vowed today that a

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Frankenstein monster with Bo drove them

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from a Hilltop near here

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but police figured the smelly boogie man

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was a product in Mass hysteria that

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sounds like a typical newspaper story

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doesn't it the thing described as

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witnesses as half man half dragon had

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not been reportedly seen since Friday

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night but residents of the area said a

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foul odor still clung to the hilltop

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yesterday

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all of this started when Mrs Kathleen

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May of Flatwood said she and six boys

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won a 17 year old national Guardsman

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climbed the hill to investigate her two

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small Sons report to their Flying Saucer

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landed there now that's incorrect

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there's a lot of newspaper stories is

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because they hadn't heard of flying

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sausage beforehand but she said that

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they found a fire-breathing monster 10

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feet tall with a bright green body and a

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blood-red face

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that waddled toward them quote with a

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bouncing floating motion and sent them

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scurrying down the hillside

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she said the monster exuded an

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overpowering odor like metal she called

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it but so sickened them they vomited for

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hours afterward

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they looked worse than Frankenstein said

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Mrs Mac it couldn't have been human

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well naturally I was pretty skeptical

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after I read this story but here was

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something that happened near where I had

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grown up in the country on a farm and it

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was quite convenient to go and see about

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so I decided to go there and find out

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just what gave her this here was a story

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that was obviously made up it couldn't

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have happened I thought and perhaps such

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a thing should be exposed and and made

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known for what it was

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so I departed for Flatwoods as soon as I

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could get away from the office which was

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a couple of days and uh arrived in

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Flatwoods rather late at night where I

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stopped at a friend's house who knew the

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people and uh this friend of mine was

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very skeptical he said that he didn't

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believe a word of it

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this morning I went to the local one of

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the local newspapers the Braxton Central

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and talked to Mr Holt Byrne who was also

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the mayor of the Town earlier he had

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released a news story that this thing

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had been a meteor which had crashed and

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the gases from it was uh what the people

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had seen and thought was a monster but

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when I arrived he wasn't so sure about

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it he had been talking to Ivan Sanderson

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whom some of you may know who had come

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there also to investigate the story and

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the mayor suggested seriously that I

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dried up to Flatwoods and talked to a

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Nunley boy the fort one of the boys who

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was 14 years old who had gone to the

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hilltop to see the thing he said that

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Mrs May the only adult who was along had

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gone to New York as soon as this had

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happened they had got her and some of

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the other Witnesses on the We the People

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television broadcast so I couldn't see

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them that day

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so I went out to Flatwoods which is a

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very short drive and located the Natalie

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boy whose father incidentally had seen a

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thing go over and I was very much

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surprised when this kid sat down and

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started telling me the story because uh

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he sounded as if he were telling the

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truth

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he said that as soon as they saw the

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object go overhead he and the other

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children in the playground decided to go

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up and see what it was and they ran up

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to a railroad which would take them to

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the location and stopped at Mrs May's

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house she was a housewife who was alone

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at first she didn't want to go with him

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she said that's just a story you're

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telling me that couldn't be but she

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looked out the door and and there she

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could see on top of the hill this

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strange light uh passing getting dim and

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bright as the others described it so she

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went along with them now there were

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seven people in the party and I'll read

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you the names Mrs May the only uh adult

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Gene lemon 17 Neil Nunley 14 Tommy hire

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10 Ronnie shaver 10

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and Mrs May's two children Eddie 13

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years old and and Fred 12 years old

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well they started up the hill it science

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quite a walk up there as uh some of you

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who have been there uh and investigated

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I'm sure some of you have I know my two

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friends here from Ohio have when they

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arrived near the top of the hill they

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said they could first smell a a funny

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odor however that didn't discourage him

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from going on personally I think I would

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have been getting out of there because I

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would much rather be a live coward and

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dead hero but anyway these people it

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just went on and

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at the very top of the hill as they came

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over They Came Upon everything at the

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same time and this is what I got out of

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them that they saw I'm not reporting

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everything I heard I remember putting

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only uh those things that they all saw

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and were sure of down over the side of

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the Hill they said they saw a huge

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glowing object which was according to

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some other massage of a house others

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weren't able to estimate the size others

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hadn't got a very good look but it was

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established it was a glowing

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globe-like thing and evidently they were

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looking at that and all of this happened

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in a very few seconds I don't know how

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many but I'm sure very few and while

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they were looking at the globe

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I understand the lemon boy I thought he

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saw some eyes in the tree he thought it

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was a animal size of some kind and he

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showed his flight a flashlight on it and

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all of a sudden it seemed to light up

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and there was a huge creature they said

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about 10 defeat to 15 feet tall

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and a very strange looking object indeed

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as well as I could establish they didn't

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get a good look at its uh at its feet if

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it had feet or the lower part of his

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body they only saw and were

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concentrating upon the head but perhaps

401
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that was what was illuminated but they

402
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said that it had a round face which was

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blood red and they said that out of its

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eyes were coming beams of light

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now Mrs May who uh perhaps was the most

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excitable of them was sure that these

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themes of light was coming right at her

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and they were shining on her but the the

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children who seemed to be more objective

410
00:19:11,090 --> 00:19:08,940
about it said that they were coming out

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over their heads that they were parallel

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to the base of whatever this thing was

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these were greenish orange rays of light

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at the Apex of its head was a kind of

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hood like Affair which was black one boy

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told me that it looked like a dust cap

417
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as we would imagine a child sitting in

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school and olden times with this conical

419
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hat on his head

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but anyway

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they didn't stay around long enough to

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investigate which I don't blame them for

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doing and incidentally all the time they

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were smelling is a very peculiar odor

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which uh they couldn't describe some

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00:19:55,370 --> 00:19:53,820
said well it smelled like rotten eggs at

427
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first then you would question and they

428
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said smelled like burning metal but it

429
00:20:03,169 --> 00:20:00,419
ended up that uh another none of them

430
00:20:04,430 --> 00:20:03,179
knew exactly what this odor was like it

431
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was something that they hadn't

432
00:20:10,490 --> 00:20:06,480
encountered before

433
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so uh immediately they ran off the hill

434
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as fast as they could and I understand

435
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that several of them were ill they were

436
00:20:20,810 --> 00:20:19,380
vomiting and it so happened that a

437
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funeral director came by with his

438
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ambulance about that time and he gave

439
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some of them uh first aid whatever that

440
00:20:28,730 --> 00:20:26,820
would involve maybe smelling salts or

441
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something I don't know he never would

442
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:32,400
talk about it but anyway they were in a

443
00:20:37,130 --> 00:20:34,559
bunch of pretty scared people

444
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after saying all this they called the

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sheriff of the county whom I've also

446
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interviewed about but he at the time was

447
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in another part of the county

448
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investigating another similar report of

449
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a an object crashing on a hillside

450
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however nothing was ever found out about

451
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that uh it seemed as if on this

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particular evening

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objects were seen going over in the

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Skies over several States I haven't

455
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Sanderson said he thought he could trace

456
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a one object over Huntington Charleston

457
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some of the other cities into Flatwoods

458
00:21:15,710 --> 00:21:12,960
but at any rate whatever this was was

459
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connect connected with the aerial

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phenomena which was rather widespread at

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that time the first Witnesses on the

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scene and this is where this story does

463
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get stranger where a couple of boys

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about 18 or 20 who went up on the hill I

465
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think about an half hour after that and

466
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they found nothing at all there of

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course it was dark they couldn't sit

468
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anything but certainly there wasn't any

469
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monster about a half there or an hour

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later the sheriff arrived after coming

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from Frametown investigating the other

472
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report he didn't find anything either

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and no odor either immediately after

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this occurrence so whatever it was if it

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were real and was there it must have

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gone away very very quickly

477
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the next morning a newspaper editor who

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edited the Braxton Democrat the other

479
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little weekly newspapers he's come out

480
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every week and not the dailies as we're

481
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accustomed to went up on me you know

482
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very early in the morning to investigate

483
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he could see nothing either but but

484
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something did strike him after looking

485
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around in the grass where the monster is

486
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reported to have been he saw what he

487
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thought were skid marks in the grass as

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if someone had been on skis and had slid

489
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down the hill on them whatever it was

490
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and didn't light and wait because it

491
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hadn't hadn't indented itself into the

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soil but it seemed to be going down

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toward the area where the globular shape

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was seen and where it was seen there was

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a large area of grass smashed down

496
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so it was established that whatever had

497
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:58,760
been there had left some trace of itself

498
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he couldn't smell anything and was

499
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puzzled over the account of the odor he

500
00:23:08,570 --> 00:23:05,940
thought it still should be around but he

501
00:23:12,970 --> 00:23:08,580
uh bent to the ground and snuffed there

502
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he said that um that he knew that gas uh

503
00:23:16,610 --> 00:23:15,240
well when it went away it sort of

504
00:23:18,830 --> 00:23:16,620
settled to the ground and you could

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detect it there long after it had gone

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and he said it's sure enough he could

507
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detect this rather nauseous and uh and

508
00:23:32,930 --> 00:23:28,740
almost suffocating odor near the ground

509
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so that um about the leaves the thing

510
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where it was a very uh puzzling account

511
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but one which I came away from uh very

512
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much convinced had happened I wasn't

513
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sure it had been exactly as the kids had

514
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reported it after all they probably were

515
00:23:58,190 --> 00:23:56,039
and very surely were scared but

516
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something had been there I was convinced

517
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that these people were telling the truth

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I think that after you had talked to a

519
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:04,559
number of people and and try to catch

520
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:08,400
them up as as I surely was doing and be

521
00:24:17,210 --> 00:24:12,720
unable to tear down new stories that you

522
00:24:20,210 --> 00:24:17,220
also would know if someone was handing

523
00:24:23,810 --> 00:24:20,220
you a line or or telling you some truth

524
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,820
anyway that was a story that blackwood's

525
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monster so I drove drove back to

526
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Clarksburg uh pondering this well I said

527
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if if I can admit that that was real

528
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and that it did happen some of these

529
00:24:42,049 --> 00:24:39,179
other stories uh uh may be true also and

530
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,059
may bear looking into I suppose I had

531
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caught the bug as it's been called and

532
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and right there I became intensely

533
00:24:51,710 --> 00:24:49,080
interested in finding out what the

534
00:24:54,289 --> 00:24:51,720
saucers were I thought that if I gave

535
00:24:56,930 --> 00:24:54,299
four or five weeks to it I could solve

536
00:24:59,270 --> 00:24:56,940
the complete mystery and uh and get rid

537
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:59,280
of it as some people do when they get

538
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:01,440
into this thing but of course I'm still

539
00:25:07,070 --> 00:25:04,320
at it and perhaps maybe farther from the

540
00:25:08,750 --> 00:25:07,080
truth than I was when I started but

541
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:08,760
anyway I was thinking at that time

542
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having heard so many other reports that

543
00:25:19,610 --> 00:25:16,620
if someone could form a club or

544
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organization to gather all of this

545
00:25:25,130 --> 00:25:22,620
information together and analyze it that

546
00:25:26,330 --> 00:25:25,140
some definite conclusions might be

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reached

548
00:25:32,029 --> 00:25:28,919
well just after that I heard about it

549
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:32,039
just such a man who had done that one of

550
00:25:38,450 --> 00:25:35,520
the very first who organized a flying

551
00:25:42,529 --> 00:25:38,460
saucer organization and that man was

552
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:42,539
Albert K Bender the the fella over whom

553
00:25:47,810 --> 00:25:44,640
there has been so much controversy of

554
00:25:51,049 --> 00:25:47,820
light he had a club which he called the

555
00:25:53,210 --> 00:25:51,059
international Flying Saucer Bureau well

556
00:25:56,510 --> 00:25:53,220
I thought that surely was just a high

557
00:25:58,730 --> 00:25:56,520
sounding name but when I found out about

558
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:58,740
it I found surely enough the fella had a

559
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:01,679
chapter in England and members in

560
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:04,320
Australia and even South Africa I

561
00:26:08,750 --> 00:26:06,000
believe in fact the fellow was all over

562
00:26:11,330 --> 00:26:08,760
the world so here was something I wanted

563
00:26:13,090 --> 00:26:11,340
to find out about so I got in touch with

564
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:13,100
bender and he was immediately

565
00:26:18,890 --> 00:26:16,080
enthusiastic about my joining the

566
00:26:21,529 --> 00:26:18,900
organization I was appointed the state

567
00:26:24,529 --> 00:26:21,539
representative for West Virginia my job

568
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:24,539
was to collect money from memberships

569
00:26:31,549 --> 00:26:27,840
and send in all the a accounts from my

570
00:26:34,610 --> 00:26:31,559
state which I had begun began by sending

571
00:26:36,289 --> 00:26:34,620
in the report on the Flatwoods Monster

572
00:26:38,750 --> 00:26:36,299
eventually

573
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:38,760
we got into the thing a little further

574
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:42,559
and we decided that if we had a special

575
00:26:49,690 --> 00:26:47,039
Bureau within the larger one or a

576
00:26:52,490 --> 00:26:49,700
department which could very carefully

577
00:26:56,750 --> 00:26:52,500
investigate certain selected reports

578
00:26:59,690 --> 00:26:56,760
that we might decide whether some of

579
00:27:02,690 --> 00:26:59,700
these better reports were the truth or

580
00:27:06,409 --> 00:27:02,700
whatever they might be so a Department

581
00:27:09,049 --> 00:27:06,419
of investigation was set up I was given

582
00:27:12,590 --> 00:27:09,059
the rather High sounding uh title of

583
00:27:14,510 --> 00:27:12,600
Chief investigator and of course I was

584
00:27:17,090 --> 00:27:14,520
very proud of my membership cards but

585
00:27:19,310 --> 00:27:17,100
really we were very serious about it and

586
00:27:22,909 --> 00:27:19,320
others appointed where Mr August C

587
00:27:25,250 --> 00:27:22,919
Roberts who was a person who was an

588
00:27:27,470 --> 00:27:25,260
expert in photography a lot of flying

589
00:27:29,930 --> 00:27:27,480
saucer photos were cropping up we wanted

590
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:29,940
to find out if they were real or or

591
00:27:37,130 --> 00:27:32,640
maybe tricked up and Mr Dominic C

592
00:27:39,529 --> 00:27:37,140
Lucchesi was in the thing and charge of

593
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:39,539
the Aeronautics he knew something about

594
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:40,559
that

595
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:44,880
a reverend SL Daw of Washington DC and a

596
00:27:50,750 --> 00:27:48,480
Mr Lonzo Dove of Broadway Virginia an

597
00:27:54,049 --> 00:27:50,760
amateur astronomer here were people

598
00:27:57,169 --> 00:27:54,059
which I had working with me which were

599
00:27:59,210 --> 00:27:57,179
pretty good in these certain fields that

600
00:28:03,649 --> 00:27:59,220
they knew something about

601
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:03,659
so we ran several reports through the

602
00:28:09,710 --> 00:28:06,720
special Department in fact a couple of

603
00:28:11,630 --> 00:28:09,720
photographs which we decided weren't

604
00:28:16,909 --> 00:28:11,640
flying sauces at all but just

605
00:28:20,590 --> 00:28:16,919
Reflections off the Sun at that time but

606
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:20,600
anyway we all became very close friends

607
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:23,520
all of us in this little Department

608
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:26,880
within the bureau and the specially uh

609
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,960
bender and I became very friendly mainly

610
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:32,880
through the mail and I got to know a lot

611
00:28:37,850 --> 00:28:35,039
about these other people who were

612
00:28:40,669 --> 00:28:37,860
working with me that was why it was so

613
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:40,679
surprising when I received a tape

614
00:28:48,890 --> 00:28:44,880
recording one day which rather set me

615
00:28:51,890 --> 00:28:48,900
back again it was a quaint mystifying

616
00:28:54,590 --> 00:28:51,900
thing this was a tape recording from

617
00:28:56,690 --> 00:28:54,600
Dominic C muchesi the aeronautical

618
00:28:59,149 --> 00:28:56,700
consultant for the Department of

619
00:29:02,210 --> 00:28:59,159
investigation and I would like to read

620
00:29:04,370 --> 00:29:02,220
read out the book here just a few of the

621
00:29:07,130 --> 00:29:04,380
words that he had on the recording they

622
00:29:08,750 --> 00:29:07,140
more or less whole thing is in the book

623
00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:08,760
he says

624
00:29:15,409 --> 00:29:12,360
but actually gray some very interesting

625
00:29:17,630 --> 00:29:15,419
things have happened and the only way I

626
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:17,640
can describe these to you is by using

627
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,440
tape

628
00:29:23,870 --> 00:29:21,840
he's talking about interesting things in

629
00:29:26,269 --> 00:29:23,880
the international Flying Saucer Bureau

630
00:29:27,950 --> 00:29:26,279
so when I heard this I'd rather sat up

631
00:29:31,370 --> 00:29:27,960
here with something a little different I

632
00:29:33,470 --> 00:29:31,380
thought then Don continues as far as my

633
00:29:36,529 --> 00:29:33,480
being investigated by someone is

634
00:29:38,889 --> 00:29:36,539
concerned no one that I know of has

635
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:38,899
interrogated Augie Roberts or myself

636
00:29:44,690 --> 00:29:41,760
unless it might have been someone with

637
00:29:46,190 --> 00:29:44,700
whom we are well acquainted and whom we

638
00:29:48,889 --> 00:29:46,200
might not have realized was an

639
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:48,899
investigator of one type or another

640
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:52,080
well in the course of their conversation

641
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:53,760
they were talking to him by telephone

642
00:29:58,190 --> 00:29:55,679
they were planning to go to Bridgeport

643
00:30:01,130 --> 00:29:58,200
to see him and the car developed trouble

644
00:30:03,169 --> 00:30:01,140
so Augie Roberts uh called bender and

645
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:03,179
asked him if there was anything new and

646
00:30:09,649 --> 00:30:07,440
I and the flying saucers and I'll return

647
00:30:12,110 --> 00:30:09,659
to Dominic's tape again

648
00:30:14,330 --> 00:30:12,120
this is all very hard to describe about

649
00:30:16,430 --> 00:30:14,340
how that is for actually the telephone

650
00:30:19,490 --> 00:30:16,440
conversation was not between hell and

651
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:19,500
myself but between him and Augie

652
00:30:24,649 --> 00:30:21,840
actually the phone call lasted for about

653
00:30:27,529 --> 00:30:24,659
20 or 25 minutes to make a long story

654
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:27,539
short gray I can't give it to you word

655
00:30:32,990 --> 00:30:30,720
for word but what had happened was

656
00:30:36,049 --> 00:30:33,000
something like this

657
00:30:38,990 --> 00:30:36,059
Al Bender told Augie that space review

658
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:39,000
that was a little publication which they

659
00:30:44,990 --> 00:30:42,240
got out that space review would come out

660
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:45,000
in October but whether it would come out

661
00:30:50,330 --> 00:30:47,279
after that was something else

662
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:50,340
it seems something strange has occurred

663
00:30:56,269 --> 00:30:53,760
in ifsb that was the initials of the

664
00:30:58,130 --> 00:30:56,279
international flying saucet Bureau well

665
00:31:00,010 --> 00:30:58,140
Augie was quite persistent and kept

666
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:00,020
pushing Al for more information

667
00:31:06,889 --> 00:31:03,120
finally Al said bluntly

668
00:31:10,690 --> 00:31:06,899
I know the secret of the discs

669
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:10,700
he added that three men had visited him

670
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:15,120
and in effect shut him up completely as

671
00:31:22,490 --> 00:31:18,960
far as saucer investigation is concerned

672
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:22,500
now the way uh Dominic gathered at Al

673
00:31:30,049 --> 00:31:25,919
had run across something in the course

674
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:30,059
of his investigations and this sort of

675
00:31:35,149 --> 00:31:32,159
rang a bell in his mind he thought he

676
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:35,159
had it he thought he had the answer to

677
00:31:41,389 --> 00:31:38,640
the Flying Saucer riddle he told us

678
00:31:43,870 --> 00:31:41,399
later that he had names and places

679
00:31:47,149 --> 00:31:43,880
whatever that could mean to back it up

680
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:47,159
but he made one mistake he took this

681
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:50,159
Theory or whatever it was and submitted

682
00:31:55,450 --> 00:31:52,320
it to someone he said he wouldn't tell

683
00:31:58,610 --> 00:31:55,460
us whom perhaps the magazine I thought

684
00:32:02,269 --> 00:31:58,620
maybe the government maybe to a friend

685
00:32:05,149 --> 00:32:02,279
but anyway when the three men came to

686
00:32:07,789 --> 00:32:05,159
see him he said that they had that very

687
00:32:11,690 --> 00:32:07,799
same piece of paper in their hands

688
00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:11,700
and well as as we could figure it out

689
00:32:17,389 --> 00:32:14,340
from what we could get out of Bender who

690
00:32:19,610 --> 00:32:17,399
seemed to be terrified by this thing he

691
00:32:22,010 --> 00:32:19,620
said that that after the three men were

692
00:32:24,409 --> 00:32:22,020
there he was ill and he couldn't eat for

693
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:24,419
three days and he was sure he had turned

694
00:32:31,370 --> 00:32:27,600
white when he talked to them and I I

695
00:32:34,490 --> 00:32:31,380
began to think well what could scare a

696
00:32:37,070 --> 00:32:34,500
fell like that he was a grown man if if

697
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:37,080
three uh men would walk in to see me

698
00:32:41,149 --> 00:32:39,120
certainly I would be nervous but I don't

699
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:41,159
see what they could tell me which would

700
00:32:47,630 --> 00:32:42,960
make me so frightened

701
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:47,640
sir we were determined to

702
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,120
to find out more about this after all

703
00:32:58,010 --> 00:32:54,000
Bender hadn't said who the Three Men In

704
00:33:00,110 --> 00:32:58,020
Black really were at that time it

705
00:33:04,430 --> 00:33:00,120
sounded like the government to us

706
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:04,440
because we imagined that perhaps the

707
00:33:09,169 --> 00:33:07,200
government was interested in keeping all

708
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:09,179
of this a secret from the people perhaps

709
00:33:13,970 --> 00:33:12,000
they were afraid that if the people got

710
00:33:16,130 --> 00:33:13,980
to know too much about the flying

711
00:33:17,409 --> 00:33:16,140
saucers they would be frightened it

712
00:33:20,330 --> 00:33:17,419
would be something

713
00:33:22,850 --> 00:33:20,340
that happened similar to the Orson

714
00:33:27,230 --> 00:33:22,860
Welles broadcast which you've heard

715
00:33:28,730 --> 00:33:27,240
about but anyway we were more confused

716
00:33:32,330 --> 00:33:28,740
as ever

717
00:33:34,970 --> 00:33:32,340
and I had a very uh strange reaction

718
00:33:37,870 --> 00:33:34,980
after hearing this here was an

719
00:33:42,110 --> 00:33:37,880
investigator or something like myself

720
00:33:44,810 --> 00:33:42,120
who had his home entered who was visited

721
00:33:48,350 --> 00:33:44,820
by three people who uh who didn't treat

722
00:33:51,889 --> 00:33:48,360
him very kindly evidently and who was

723
00:33:54,110 --> 00:33:51,899
just badly shaken and it didn't seem he

724
00:33:57,649 --> 00:33:54,120
was permitted to go ahead and talk

725
00:33:59,570 --> 00:33:57,659
further about flying saucers in fact I

726
00:34:03,409 --> 00:33:59,580
was a little scared myself if someone

727
00:34:05,389 --> 00:34:03,419
could shut up Mr Bender here I was I was

728
00:34:07,250 --> 00:34:05,399
putting out a publication called the

729
00:34:10,669 --> 00:34:07,260
Cesarean it was going all over the world

730
00:34:11,869 --> 00:34:10,679
and maybe someone would interfere with

731
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:11,879
me

732
00:34:25,849 --> 00:34:22,800
interested to such a point that they

733
00:34:28,490 --> 00:34:25,859
would obviously abridge freedoms and

734
00:34:30,349 --> 00:34:28,500
coming and telling someone not to talk

735
00:34:34,010 --> 00:34:30,359
about a certain subject

736
00:34:37,310 --> 00:34:34,020
anyway we decided to try to get to the

737
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:37,320
bottom of the thing so we decided to go

738
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:41,760
to Bridgeport Connecticut and try to see

739
00:34:47,570 --> 00:34:45,839
Bender personally and question him a

740
00:34:50,210 --> 00:34:47,580
great lack and see if we could get

741
00:34:51,649 --> 00:34:50,220
anything out of them well let's see a

742
00:34:53,869 --> 00:34:51,659
little interview I'm going to read here

743
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:53,879
in a moment discloses we didn't learn a

744
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:55,440
whole lot although we did get some

745
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:57,119
interesting responses

746
00:35:02,150 --> 00:34:59,520
but immediately after I'd received the

747
00:35:05,690 --> 00:35:02,160
tape I called up Bender he answered the

748
00:35:08,089 --> 00:35:05,700
phone but he sounded very strange much

749
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:08,099
unlike his usual self

750
00:35:12,190 --> 00:35:10,320
and of course I got around to the

751
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:12,200
subject of flying saucers immediately

752
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:14,640
and he said

753
00:35:21,230 --> 00:35:18,240
the saucers do not interest me anymore I

754
00:35:24,170 --> 00:35:21,240
believe that was his exact words maybe

755
00:35:26,810 --> 00:35:24,180
he said doubt he in any repeated I've

756
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:26,820
lost all interest in them I wondered why

757
00:35:31,730 --> 00:35:28,800
a man would lose interest so quickly

758
00:35:35,630 --> 00:35:31,740
when he had once been so interested I

759
00:35:38,329 --> 00:35:35,640
asked him I said Al is this because it

760
00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:38,339
uh the reason you aren't interested is

761
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:40,500
that because you found out that they're

762
00:35:48,050 --> 00:35:45,359
a government invention maybe or or is

763
00:35:50,750 --> 00:35:48,060
the information you have so uh

764
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,760
terrifying that it's rather frightening

765
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:52,800
and uh and bad for you to think about

766
00:35:57,290 --> 00:35:55,440
and he said well it was a letter that's

767
00:36:01,010 --> 00:35:57,300
all he would say

768
00:36:02,690 --> 00:36:01,020
we went to Bridgeport and I walked in on

769
00:36:06,890 --> 00:36:02,700
our good friend who treated us very

770
00:36:09,770 --> 00:36:06,900
nicely but would keep telling us that he

771
00:36:12,650 --> 00:36:09,780
wasn't permitted to tell us much about

772
00:36:14,690 --> 00:36:12,660
what had happened but anyway we got in a

773
00:36:16,849 --> 00:36:14,700
lot of questions and I'm going to read a

774
00:36:19,250 --> 00:36:16,859
lot of these not a lot of them but just

775
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:19,260
a few of these questions and answers

776
00:36:24,530 --> 00:36:21,359
which took place there

777
00:36:27,170 --> 00:36:24,540
now the first few that I read he'll say

778
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,180
I can't answer that to all of them so uh

779
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:29,520
we'll get over that quickly

780
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:35,030
I can't answer that

781
00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:38,160
question who were the men I can't answer

782
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:41,160
that were they from the government

783
00:36:46,250 --> 00:36:43,440
I can't answer that

784
00:36:48,349 --> 00:36:46,260
this saucer comes from space

785
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:48,359
I can't answer that

786
00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:52,320
and a lot more responses similar can you

787
00:36:57,050 --> 00:36:54,180
tell me where you found your source of

788
00:36:59,630 --> 00:36:57,060
information answer I was turning a

789
00:37:01,790 --> 00:36:59,640
theory over and over in my mind when I

790
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:01,800
got some actual names and places to back

791
00:37:07,250 --> 00:37:05,520
it up I submitted it to someone then the

792
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:07,260
men came

793
00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:10,560
who was that someone you mentioned

794
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:12,900
I can't answer that

795
00:37:16,609 --> 00:37:15,359
is the flying saucers going to be a help

796
00:37:20,210 --> 00:37:16,619
to the world

797
00:37:23,230 --> 00:37:20,220
it's going to be both good and bad and

798
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:23,240
so on answer is like that that you can't

799
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:26,160
exactly put together into any meaning

800
00:37:30,890 --> 00:37:28,560
and all they serve to do is to Intrigue

801
00:37:34,609 --> 00:37:30,900
you further and increase in your own

802
00:37:37,790 --> 00:37:34,619
mind and mystery of what he knew we were

803
00:37:40,970 --> 00:37:37,800
desperately trying to find out what it

804
00:37:44,089 --> 00:37:40,980
was that Bender had run across perhaps

805
00:37:46,490 --> 00:37:44,099
through accident which had brought this

806
00:37:49,970 --> 00:37:46,500
trouble down upon him on ever kind of

807
00:37:52,370 --> 00:37:49,980
trouble it was we tried to figure

808
00:37:54,170 --> 00:37:52,380
who the three men were

809
00:37:56,270 --> 00:37:54,180
while the first thought was the

810
00:37:59,089 --> 00:37:56,280
government but first of all we thought

811
00:38:01,790 --> 00:37:59,099
government men don't go around dressed

812
00:38:05,810 --> 00:38:01,800
conspicuously or trying to look like

813
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:05,820
Cloak and Dagger operators which these

814
00:38:14,030 --> 00:38:08,880
three men looked like they had on all

815
00:38:15,950 --> 00:38:14,040
dark clothing and neither do uh people

816
00:38:18,829 --> 00:38:15,960
at least from the FBI and some of the

817
00:38:21,470 --> 00:38:18,839
other investigative organizations needed

818
00:38:23,690 --> 00:38:21,480
today go around threatening people in

819
00:38:26,450 --> 00:38:23,700
fact you do the talking they just ask

820
00:38:30,730 --> 00:38:26,460
questions they don't tell you anything

821
00:38:33,770 --> 00:38:30,740
and it it was a great doubt in our mind

822
00:38:35,210 --> 00:38:33,780
that the government men had visited

823
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:35,220
Albert Bender

824
00:38:40,970 --> 00:38:37,920
well if not government man

825
00:38:43,730 --> 00:38:40,980
who could it possibly be well we thought

826
00:38:46,370 --> 00:38:43,740
of everything maybe it could be space

827
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:46,380
fan a lot of people thought that there

828
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:48,960
were such things and it certainly hadn't

829
00:38:55,550 --> 00:38:51,839
been proven that there couldn't be uh

830
00:39:00,109 --> 00:38:55,560
it certainly a would frighten me if

831
00:39:02,210 --> 00:39:00,119
someone would walk into my room and I

832
00:39:05,930 --> 00:39:02,220
would say to them let me see your

833
00:39:08,510 --> 00:39:05,940
credentials and uh this person say it

834
00:39:10,130 --> 00:39:08,520
would say here are my credentials and

835
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:10,140
instead of showing me a card you would

836
00:39:16,130 --> 00:39:13,200
just simply disappear walk through a

837
00:39:18,170 --> 00:39:16,140
wall or something dematerialize that

838
00:39:21,950 --> 00:39:18,180
would certainly Shake name of such a

839
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:21,960
person would tell me to do something I

840
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:25,200
would think a long time before I didn't

841
00:39:29,089 --> 00:39:26,400
do it

842
00:39:31,730 --> 00:39:29,099
but I'm not suggesting that it was a

843
00:39:33,530 --> 00:39:31,740
space man who visited Al Bender or

844
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:33,540
anyone in particular it is a great

845
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:36,720
mystery to me and that is one reason why

846
00:39:43,130 --> 00:39:38,880
I wrote a book about the matter

847
00:39:45,170 --> 00:39:43,140
I thought that if I should get all of

848
00:39:47,150 --> 00:39:45,180
the story and some other very

849
00:39:50,329 --> 00:39:47,160
interesting ones together which were

850
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:50,339
cropping up and published this

851
00:39:55,730 --> 00:39:53,760
information that there were probably a

852
00:39:57,650 --> 00:39:55,740
lot of other people with similar

853
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:57,660
experiences who would come forth and

854
00:40:04,130 --> 00:40:00,480
tell their own stories I also thought

855
00:40:06,410 --> 00:40:04,140
that some people might read the book who

856
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,420
certainly were more intelligent than I

857
00:40:11,210 --> 00:40:09,119
was who might figure out something that

858
00:40:15,710 --> 00:40:11,220
would ring a bell somewhere and bring

859
00:40:17,569 --> 00:40:15,720
this mystery to a conclusion just as the

860
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:17,579
two questions first of all why didn't

861
00:40:23,210 --> 00:40:20,160
Bender know that seemed to be the answer

862
00:40:25,490 --> 00:40:23,220
to the mystery and secondly who were the

863
00:40:26,810 --> 00:40:25,500
three men and who were they from

864
00:40:29,569 --> 00:40:26,820
well

865
00:40:31,550 --> 00:40:29,579
um at that time that had been the only

866
00:40:33,950 --> 00:40:31,560
thing that has happened I believe I have

867
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,960
a few minutes to tell you about some of

868
00:40:37,010 --> 00:40:35,280
the other things that occurred along

869
00:40:40,430 --> 00:40:37,020
about the same time

870
00:40:43,490 --> 00:40:40,440
in Australia the Australian Flying

871
00:40:46,910 --> 00:40:43,500
Saucer Bureau had been kind of a very

872
00:40:48,349 --> 00:40:46,920
important thing it was headed by Mr E.R

873
00:40:51,050 --> 00:40:48,359
Gerald

874
00:40:53,390 --> 00:40:51,060
now when I was visiting Benders I was

875
00:40:56,210 --> 00:40:53,400
leaving he held up a letter and said you

876
00:40:58,250 --> 00:40:56,220
may be interested in reading this I read

877
00:41:00,770 --> 00:40:58,260
it it was from Gerald it told about a

878
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:00,780
visitor who had come to see him

879
00:41:07,970 --> 00:41:04,880
a visitor who had sworn him to secrecy

880
00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:07,980
before he would tell him certain

881
00:41:13,370 --> 00:41:10,680
information which he said he had

882
00:41:15,170 --> 00:41:13,380
Gerald who was leader of a flying saucer

883
00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:15,180
organization and wanted to get

884
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:16,740
information out to the public didn't

885
00:41:22,130 --> 00:41:19,440
like the idea but I suppose he was so

886
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:22,140
intrigued at learning whatever the mayor

887
00:41:26,270 --> 00:41:24,240
had to say that he said sure I won't

888
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,280
tell anyone if you will tell me what you

889
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:29,040
have in mind now where upon the visitor

890
00:41:34,510 --> 00:41:31,520
gave him a certain information

891
00:41:37,790 --> 00:41:34,520
and of course Gerald couldn't tell that

892
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:37,800
I wrote Gerald a long letter I initially

893
00:41:41,810 --> 00:41:39,359
couldn't go to see him he was in

894
00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:41,820
Australia and inquired a lot of things

895
00:41:49,069 --> 00:41:45,780
from him I asked him if if what he heard

896
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,079
from the man could make Bender sick or

897
00:41:53,810 --> 00:41:51,839
if it had made him ill he said no it

898
00:41:56,990 --> 00:41:53,820
hadn't made him ill or frighten him too

899
00:42:00,370 --> 00:41:57,000
greatly but someone might be able to

900
00:42:03,290 --> 00:42:00,380
take it in a certain way and it would be

901
00:42:08,450 --> 00:42:03,300
frightened by such information the point

902
00:42:10,430 --> 00:42:08,460
of becoming ill in in New Zealand there

903
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:10,440
was another very uh reliable

904
00:42:15,710 --> 00:42:12,079
investigation

905
00:42:18,349 --> 00:42:15,720
disaster investigative organization uh

906
00:42:22,569 --> 00:42:18,359
called the civilian saucer investigation

907
00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:22,579
of New Zealand headed by Mr Fulton after

908
00:42:28,490 --> 00:42:26,220
the matter of Bender had gone along for

909
00:42:30,170 --> 00:42:28,500
some time I found out some very

910
00:42:32,810 --> 00:42:30,180
interesting things from New Zealand

911
00:42:35,230 --> 00:42:32,820
which I thought might help solve the

912
00:42:38,569 --> 00:42:35,240
mystery in Bridgeport Connecticut

913
00:42:43,069 --> 00:42:38,579
Gerald and uh Fulton according to the

914
00:42:45,170 --> 00:42:43,079
latter were engaged on a rather strange

915
00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:45,180
project it sounded like because it was

916
00:42:50,450 --> 00:42:47,820
it was named Project X

917
00:42:52,609 --> 00:42:50,460
I heard a mention of it some way through

918
00:42:54,290 --> 00:42:52,619
the grapevine and I wrote to Fulton who

919
00:42:56,990 --> 00:42:54,300
had become a good friend of mine and I

920
00:43:01,609 --> 00:42:57,000
said just what does this project X

921
00:43:05,410 --> 00:43:01,619
involve he wrote back and he said that

922
00:43:10,609 --> 00:43:05,420
this was a project suggested by Bender

923
00:43:12,890 --> 00:43:10,619
shortly before he had been shut up he

924
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:12,900
said that Bender having been interested

925
00:43:17,450 --> 00:43:15,119
in the number of the saucer sightings

926
00:43:20,829 --> 00:43:17,460
occurring in the Down Under countries

927
00:43:23,210 --> 00:43:20,839
such as Australia New Zealand had

928
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:23,220
entertained the idea that there might be

929
00:43:31,490 --> 00:43:27,119
a base around there or in the Antarctic

930
00:43:33,950 --> 00:43:31,500
and the Bender had suggested that they

931
00:43:36,050 --> 00:43:33,960
make a chart taking all of their

932
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:36,060
sightings which they had in their files

933
00:43:41,870 --> 00:43:39,359
which showed directions of arrival and

934
00:43:46,609 --> 00:43:41,880
departure and putting these on a chart

935
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:46,619
or on a map if they drew lines the way

936
00:43:51,470 --> 00:43:48,480
the saucers were arrived driving and

937
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:51,480
leaving and that these lines tended to

938
00:43:58,670 --> 00:43:54,960
intersect it might show a rendezvous

939
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:58,680
point or maybe even a base if there was

940
00:44:03,050 --> 00:44:00,720
such a thing for the saucers

941
00:44:06,770 --> 00:44:03,060
at that time I could see

942
00:44:10,130 --> 00:44:06,780
that there are suspicions where toward a

943
00:44:12,530 --> 00:44:10,140
base in Antarctica but Benders shut up

944
00:44:14,690 --> 00:44:12,540
immediately after that and the whole

945
00:44:16,910 --> 00:44:14,700
thing was dropped they didn't get into

946
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:16,920
the project in New Zealand and Australia

947
00:44:22,609 --> 00:44:19,200
and that has always been a question mark

948
00:44:25,490 --> 00:44:22,619
in my mind if that might have been the

949
00:44:28,010 --> 00:44:25,500
thing which had rung the bell and

950
00:44:31,010 --> 00:44:28,020
Bender's mind if he had found out some

951
00:44:34,849 --> 00:44:31,020
proof that there was a base for flying

952
00:44:37,130 --> 00:44:34,859
saucers on the earth that's certainly uh

953
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:37,140
might cause him some trouble if there

954
00:44:44,450 --> 00:44:40,319
was someone who didn't want him to tell

955
00:44:48,050 --> 00:44:44,460
about it anyway I began to hear other

956
00:44:51,490 --> 00:44:48,060
reports in Canada and incidentally and

957
00:44:55,690 --> 00:44:51,500
in my book uh I don't name this country

958
00:44:59,390 --> 00:44:55,700
a man named Smallwood had a rather

959
00:45:03,109 --> 00:44:59,400
shaking experience the man in Canada

960
00:45:07,309 --> 00:45:03,119
whom I called Smallwood is is a man

961
00:45:09,290 --> 00:45:07,319
called Layman mitrus I don't in the book

962
00:45:12,730 --> 00:45:09,300
I didn't want to mention the fact but

963
00:45:15,970 --> 00:45:12,740
since then it has appeared in a saucer

964
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:15,980
publication and I suppose is public

965
00:45:21,770 --> 00:45:18,720
written by a fellow who went there and

966
00:45:27,230 --> 00:45:21,780
and tried this information out of the

967
00:45:29,950 --> 00:45:27,240
small wood independently anyway mitrus

968
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:29,960
was an investigator

969
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:33,359
in Canada who had often sent me

970
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:35,760
information to publish in my little

971
00:45:41,150 --> 00:45:37,200
magazine

972
00:45:45,170 --> 00:45:41,160
one day he got wind of a fella up north

973
00:45:47,930 --> 00:45:45,180
of him who had been fishing on during

974
00:45:51,410 --> 00:45:47,940
vacation and had seen a cigar-shaped

975
00:45:54,109 --> 00:45:51,420
object go over and vanish and heard a

976
00:45:55,970 --> 00:45:54,119
noise in the bushes when he went over to

977
00:45:58,849 --> 00:45:55,980
the shore to see what had happened in

978
00:46:01,790 --> 00:45:58,859
the bushes he saw some material some

979
00:46:05,210 --> 00:46:01,800
sort of metallic a residue lying on the

980
00:46:08,030 --> 00:46:05,220
ground he picked it up he said expecting

981
00:46:10,490 --> 00:46:08,040
it to be hot having fallen out of

982
00:46:13,130 --> 00:46:10,500
something but to his surprise it was

983
00:46:15,890 --> 00:46:13,140
strangely cool or cold he said like

984
00:46:19,370 --> 00:46:15,900
feeling the inside of a refrigerator

985
00:46:22,130 --> 00:46:19,380
my friend mitrus wanted to get this

986
00:46:25,370 --> 00:46:22,140
story from him to send down the maid of

987
00:46:27,290 --> 00:46:25,380
publish in my sauce area so he got hold

988
00:46:29,390 --> 00:46:27,300
of the spell and begged him for the

989
00:46:32,809 --> 00:46:29,400
information also for a sample of the

990
00:46:35,809 --> 00:46:32,819
material the fellow was uh apparently

991
00:46:38,450 --> 00:46:35,819
frightened he thought that this was a

992
00:46:40,910 --> 00:46:38,460
government device which he had seen and

993
00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:40,920
that he would be in trouble if he uh

994
00:46:47,870 --> 00:46:45,240
made it known but my friend Madras was a

995
00:46:50,589 --> 00:46:47,880
persuasive kind of fella and finally

996
00:46:54,410 --> 00:46:50,599
talked the man whose name I don't know

997
00:46:57,950 --> 00:46:54,420
into giving him a sample of the staff

998
00:47:00,650 --> 00:46:57,960
immediately Mitch sent me a report on

999
00:47:04,430 --> 00:47:00,660
the whole Affair and he also sent a

1000
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:04,440
sample to a laboratory in a nearby City

1001
00:47:09,170 --> 00:47:06,960
well as soon as he had received the

1002
00:47:12,650 --> 00:47:09,180
analysis back I got a very strange

1003
00:47:14,089 --> 00:47:12,660
letter from him he said that it was

1004
00:47:16,250 --> 00:47:14,099
something that happened that he didn't

1005
00:47:19,790 --> 00:47:16,260
care to talk about that he couldn't talk

1006
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:19,800
about the analysis and so forth so I

1007
00:47:24,550 --> 00:47:22,079
call him up on the phone and I got in

1008
00:47:27,290 --> 00:47:24,560
touch with him by mail and I finally

1009
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:27,300
pried some information out of him as to

1010
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:29,520
what had happened and this is what had

1011
00:47:35,450 --> 00:47:32,880
happened very briefly having received

1012
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:35,460
the analysis back from the lab on the

1013
00:47:43,370 --> 00:47:39,599
sample he received a visitor whom he

1014
00:47:44,990 --> 00:47:43,380
assumed to be from the government I

1015
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:45,000
don't think he asked him at that time

1016
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:48,000
perhaps he was a little flustered and

1017
00:47:52,210 --> 00:47:50,400
the fella told him to give him the

1018
00:47:57,050 --> 00:47:52,220
sample of the material

1019
00:47:59,450 --> 00:47:57,060
and uh mitrus handed it over to him uh

1020
00:48:02,089 --> 00:47:59,460
he seemed to be rather frightened to

1021
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:02,099
this fella who asked him for this and

1022
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:04,079
then I don't have the whole story but I

1023
00:48:08,650 --> 00:48:06,240
understand that the person arrived again

1024
00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:08,660
at his house and paid him a second visit

1025
00:48:14,750 --> 00:48:12,240
at that time mitrus had collected his

1026
00:48:18,170 --> 00:48:14,760
wits and he said to the fellow show me

1027
00:48:20,750 --> 00:48:18,180
your credentials uh first I believe he

1028
00:48:23,930 --> 00:48:20,760
said where are you from and the fellow

1029
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:23,940
said of all things the Mounted Police

1030
00:48:30,290 --> 00:48:27,599
one of the big agencies in Canada for

1031
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:30,300
law enforcement and Mitch said let me

1032
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:34,319
see your card that shows that you are a

1033
00:48:40,550 --> 00:48:36,720
member of them and at that point the

1034
00:48:43,849 --> 00:48:40,560
man's uh almost friendly tone before it

1035
00:48:47,690 --> 00:48:43,859
drastically changed he became menacing

1036
00:48:50,510 --> 00:48:47,700
and threatening and and made some

1037
00:48:52,970 --> 00:48:50,520
threats which for some reason a Madras

1038
00:48:55,250 --> 00:48:52,980
was afraid to repeat to me he said he

1039
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,260
would rather not mention he intimated

1040
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:57,599
that the safety of his family was

1041
00:49:03,770 --> 00:49:00,839
involved if he talked about this and he

1042
00:49:05,930 --> 00:49:03,780
was so frightened that he didn't want

1043
00:49:08,990 --> 00:49:05,940
anything published about it

1044
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:09,000
well when I got ready to write my book I

1045
00:49:14,450 --> 00:49:11,280
thought it over and I I thought this

1046
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:14,460
truth should be printed and if I

1047
00:49:20,510 --> 00:49:16,880
disguised it by not telling the country

1048
00:49:22,370 --> 00:49:20,520
where the man was living nor his name

1049
00:49:25,849 --> 00:49:22,380
that is surely wouldn't cause him any

1050
00:49:29,150 --> 00:49:25,859
trouble so I printed it without uh

1051
00:49:31,250 --> 00:49:29,160
asking him I'm afraid for that

1052
00:49:32,750 --> 00:49:31,260
permission because if I had maybe he

1053
00:49:35,930 --> 00:49:32,760
would have said no I wouldn't be in the

1054
00:49:38,450 --> 00:49:35,940
book but anyway it's there and

1055
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:38,460
immediately afterward the the man was

1056
00:49:45,230 --> 00:49:41,040
quite Disturbed and frightened that the

1057
00:49:48,290 --> 00:49:45,240
mere mention of it he said and I get

1058
00:49:52,250 --> 00:49:48,300
this from another publication that

1059
00:49:55,609 --> 00:49:52,260
immediately after the book came out in

1060
00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:55,619
Canada about a day afterward the man who

1061
00:50:01,250 --> 00:49:58,160
had found the residue

1062
00:50:03,770 --> 00:50:01,260
mysteriously packed up and left bag and

1063
00:50:05,630 --> 00:50:03,780
baggies as if he were afraid to stay

1064
00:50:10,190 --> 00:50:05,640
around her any longer

1065
00:50:12,829 --> 00:50:10,200
and uh Madras was quite disturbed about

1066
00:50:16,010 --> 00:50:12,839
it however I think that he has forgiven

1067
00:50:18,050 --> 00:50:16,020
me and he has promised to write some

1068
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:18,060
additional material as long as it

1069
00:50:22,250 --> 00:50:21,119
doesn't involve the subject or the

1070
00:50:24,349 --> 00:50:22,260
material

1071
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:24,359
and the

1072
00:50:30,050 --> 00:50:27,839
the special report on the analysis and

1073
00:50:32,750 --> 00:50:30,060
I've always wondered just who these

1074
00:50:34,130 --> 00:50:32,760
people were who came to see certain

1075
00:50:37,130 --> 00:50:34,140
researchers

1076
00:50:40,270 --> 00:50:37,140
maybe some of them had been dreamed up

1077
00:50:43,069 --> 00:50:40,280
but surely not all of them I wondered

1078
00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:43,079
what fantastic agency could be

1079
00:50:48,410 --> 00:50:45,000
sponsoring them they certainly didn't

1080
00:50:50,750 --> 00:50:48,420
seem to be government man who came and

1081
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:50,760
frightened these people I wondered if

1082
00:50:55,970 --> 00:50:52,800
one of them came to see me

1083
00:50:58,670 --> 00:50:55,980
if I would be frightened well I thought

1084
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:58,680
surely no I I won't be shut up by anyone

1085
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:01,440
but one never knows

1086
00:51:07,790 --> 00:51:04,880
since that time of publishing a book

1087
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:07,800
I had hoped that I would run across

1088
00:51:13,130 --> 00:51:11,040
several other experiences of quite

1089
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:13,140
spectacular nature which I would be able

1090
00:51:18,530 --> 00:51:16,079
to report to you but honestly nothing

1091
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:18,540
that important has come to my attention

1092
00:51:23,690 --> 00:51:21,599
after the book has been written if other

1093
00:51:27,170 --> 00:51:23,700
people have been silenced they're too

1094
00:51:30,370 --> 00:51:27,180
scared to talk about it and or maybe the

1095
00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:30,380
three men or whoever they are has

1096
00:51:35,690 --> 00:51:33,960
decided to change your tactics here is

1097
00:51:37,069 --> 00:51:35,700
an interesting letter however from

1098
00:51:39,290 --> 00:51:37,079
France

1099
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:39,300
and I think some of you know of this

1100
00:51:46,490 --> 00:51:43,520
fella he is the leading uh Flying Saucer

1101
00:51:49,549 --> 00:51:46,500
Enthusiast in France a writer who has

1102
00:51:51,530 --> 00:51:49,559
got out a book this is confidential and

1103
00:51:53,630 --> 00:51:51,540
I'll just let you guess who his name is

1104
00:51:56,690 --> 00:51:53,640
but I'm sure you can

1105
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:56,700
now this uh man although he is a writer

1106
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:58,559
doesn't write very good English so I

1107
00:52:04,730 --> 00:52:00,079
will try to stumble through this letter

1108
00:52:08,510 --> 00:52:04,740
this is dated April 5 1956 dear Gray

1109
00:52:11,690 --> 00:52:08,520
uh your letter March 17 Etc believe me

1110
00:52:13,370 --> 00:52:11,700
or not gray but we have now in France a

1111
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:13,380
case of benderism

1112
00:52:18,410 --> 00:52:16,079
an engineer and I are preceding our

1113
00:52:21,710 --> 00:52:18,420
investigations on this strange Affair

1114
00:52:25,250 --> 00:52:21,720
but it varied is very difficult because

1115
00:52:28,970 --> 00:52:25,260
the man who received a visit a four man

1116
00:52:32,569 --> 00:52:28,980
had vanished we know he is hidden in

1117
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:32,579
southern France this guide Knew Too Much

1118
00:52:36,290 --> 00:52:34,559
about flying saucers he puts quotes

1119
00:52:39,950 --> 00:52:36,300
around it because that's the name of my

1120
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:39,960
book we do not thank the four men are

1121
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:42,480
French agents of government nor agents

1122
00:52:47,089 --> 00:52:45,599
of another Nation we do not know where

1123
00:52:50,690 --> 00:52:47,099
they do come from

1124
00:52:53,690 --> 00:52:50,700
the man who was involved has received

1125
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:53,700
some kind of optic instrument now listen

1126
00:52:59,450 --> 00:52:56,640
to this some kind of optic he means

1127
00:53:02,990 --> 00:52:59,460
Optical instrument from a pilot and then

1128
00:53:06,290 --> 00:53:03,000
he has in parentheses a woman pilot of

1129
00:53:09,170 --> 00:53:06,300
FS Flying Saucer and my friend the

1130
00:53:12,170 --> 00:53:09,180
engineer saw this instrument he has saw

1131
00:53:15,650 --> 00:53:12,180
underlined he has manipulated it and was

1132
00:53:18,530 --> 00:53:15,660
stupefied to find that the medal of this

1133
00:53:21,410 --> 00:53:18,540
instrument at its ends was transformed

1134
00:53:22,970 --> 00:53:21,420
into glass or a lens in other words the

1135
00:53:26,030 --> 00:53:22,980
atomic structure of the metal was

1136
00:53:29,390 --> 00:53:26,040
changed into the atomic structure of

1137
00:53:32,450 --> 00:53:29,400
glass for the moment this information is

1138
00:53:35,089 --> 00:53:32,460
confidential I ask you not to mention it

1139
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:35,099
in your publication so that leaves me

1140
00:53:39,230 --> 00:53:36,720
open to tell you about it I think it

1141
00:53:41,870 --> 00:53:39,240
isn't enough application if I know more

1142
00:53:44,030 --> 00:53:41,880
about these Affairs I shall tell you

1143
00:53:45,650 --> 00:53:44,040
since that time I've been trying to get

1144
00:53:47,690 --> 00:53:45,660
in touch with this man but I haven't

1145
00:53:50,450 --> 00:53:47,700
received any more letters I suppose if

1146
00:53:53,809 --> 00:53:50,460
he is actively engaged in in Flying

1147
00:53:56,809 --> 00:53:53,819
Saucer uh work that maybe he's just too

1148
00:53:59,809 --> 00:53:56,819
busy to answer but he seems to be very

1149
00:54:02,990 --> 00:53:59,819
much intrigued this is the answer the

1150
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:03,000
author of a very highly respectable

1151
00:54:10,490 --> 00:54:06,720
French book about flying saucers which

1152
00:54:12,290 --> 00:54:10,500
is uh now been translated and has been

1153
00:54:15,410 --> 00:54:12,300
published in England

1154
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:15,420
so there you have it a number of strange

1155
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:19,200
cases which I am unable to explain if I

1156
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:20,400
were

1157
00:54:26,210 --> 00:54:23,040
I certainly uh don't believe I would

1158
00:54:29,089 --> 00:54:26,220
have bothered to have written a book but

1159
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:29,099
as yet I don't have all the answers I

1160
00:54:34,370 --> 00:54:31,920
would like to be able to stand up here

1161
00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:34,380
and and give you all the answers to the

1162
00:54:39,250 --> 00:54:36,180
Flying Saucer riddle because I think

1163
00:54:43,790 --> 00:54:39,260
you're interested in in knowing them but

1164
00:54:48,589 --> 00:54:43,800
I certainly uh uh will be foolish if I

1165
00:54:51,290 --> 00:54:48,599
did that because really uh I know very

1166
00:54:54,410 --> 00:54:51,300
little more probably than the rest of

1167
00:54:56,270 --> 00:54:54,420
you however I have had an opportunity in

1168
00:54:59,390 --> 00:54:56,280
this particular thing to know something

1169
00:55:01,970 --> 00:54:59,400
about Bender and the other people who

1170
00:55:03,950 --> 00:55:01,980
have been shut up and that's what I

1171
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:03,960
wanted to tell people about in the book

1172
00:55:10,790 --> 00:55:06,960
and you about here

1173
00:55:12,589 --> 00:55:10,800
but let me say in closing here because

1174
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:12,599
my time is up

1175
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:17,119
that I think regardless of um of whether

1176
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:20,720
flying saucers turn out to be from Mars

1177
00:55:27,710 --> 00:55:25,440
from Venus from Saturn or maybe uh as

1178
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:27,720
our friend Mosley says from the Earth

1179
00:55:34,790 --> 00:55:31,440
itself I think that other things have

1180
00:55:37,309 --> 00:55:34,800
been more important even if we find out

1181
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:37,319
that there isn't any such things as

1182
00:55:42,049 --> 00:55:40,319
flying saucers I think that all our work

1183
00:55:44,569 --> 00:55:42,059
will have accomplished something because

1184
00:55:46,910 --> 00:55:44,579
all of us have certainly made a lot of

1185
00:55:49,250 --> 00:55:46,920
good friends while trying to find out

1186
00:55:51,170 --> 00:55:49,260
about this and that's certainly I think

1187
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:51,180
would be worth all our trouble thank you

1188
00:56:04,089 --> 00:55:52,079
very much

1189
00:56:10,130 --> 00:56:07,250
any opinions as to what the sauces are

1190
00:56:13,130 --> 00:56:10,140
and where they come from

1191
00:56:15,170 --> 00:56:13,140
well I have informed any definite

1192
00:56:18,890 --> 00:56:15,180
opinion I think it would be a little

1193
00:56:21,950 --> 00:56:18,900
foolish to do so because that would be

1194
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:21,960
admitting that uh I knew everything

1195
00:56:30,049 --> 00:56:26,720
I favored the idea that flying crosses

1196
00:56:34,609 --> 00:56:30,059
come from space from some other planet

1197
00:56:37,490 --> 00:56:34,619
in our solar system or in some other

1198
00:56:41,150 --> 00:56:37,500
system however

1199
00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:41,160
uh sometimes I also feel that the

1200
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:43,920
explanation I might be a little more

1201
00:56:49,309 --> 00:56:45,920
complicated than that

1202
00:56:55,490 --> 00:56:52,549
some of this uh phenomena might even

1203
00:56:57,770 --> 00:56:55,500
involve something as complicated as

1204
00:56:59,930 --> 00:56:57,780
another dimension but I'm not prepared

1205
00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:59,940
to go into a thing like that because I

1206
00:57:03,890 --> 00:57:01,440
know a little about it it's just a

1207
00:57:06,589 --> 00:57:03,900
thought but in repeating I believe the

1208
00:57:09,170 --> 00:57:06,599
sauces uh the most simplest explanation

1209
00:57:12,589 --> 00:57:09,180
I know of arts and space or some other

1210
00:57:14,510 --> 00:57:12,599
planets and uh that still it might be

1211
00:57:16,490 --> 00:57:14,520
along those lines would have been more

1212
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:16,500
complicated

1213
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:19,920
uh in regards to Brush Creek incident uh

1214
00:57:25,130 --> 00:57:22,559
I did not personally investigate it

1215
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:25,140
however a

1216
00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:28,319
fellow who did some research on the west

1217
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:31,260
coast of Mr Paul Spade whom I had a

1218
00:57:36,589 --> 00:57:33,599
great deal of confidence in I did

1219
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:36,599
investigate the matter he went there and

1220
00:57:42,109 --> 00:57:38,880
camped with the miners who were involved

1221
00:57:44,990 --> 00:57:42,119
in this incident and uh I'm convinced

1222
00:57:46,910 --> 00:57:45,000
that what he told us was the truth of

1223
00:57:48,170 --> 00:57:46,920
that matter but just a moment I'll

1224
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:48,180
mentioned something about the branch

1225
00:57:54,530 --> 00:57:50,880
creek monster not a monster but it was a

1226
00:57:57,710 --> 00:57:54,540
little man a two miners working titanium

1227
00:58:01,010 --> 00:57:57,720
digging and said they saw a saucer land

1228
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:01,020
and a little man got a bucket of water

1229
00:58:06,410 --> 00:58:03,839
from a creek and climb up into the

1230
00:58:08,530 --> 00:58:06,420
saucer and fly away do I find evidence

1231
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:08,540
that the social sightings are increasing

1232
00:58:15,170 --> 00:58:12,960
despite the strong censorship well first

1233
00:58:19,309 --> 00:58:15,180
of all it's a little hard to absolutely

1234
00:58:21,950 --> 00:58:19,319
prove a formal censorship but uh at

1235
00:58:24,190 --> 00:58:21,960
least now I saw sir sightings of

1236
00:58:28,190 --> 00:58:24,200
incidents are on the increase

1237
00:58:30,290 --> 00:58:28,200
that seems to happen simultaneously with

1238
00:58:32,750 --> 00:58:30,300
the approach of Mars as you know in

1239
00:58:35,390 --> 00:58:32,760
September we had the most favorable

1240
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:35,400
opposition in Mars in several years and

1241
00:58:39,950 --> 00:58:38,880
I believe that it is established there

1242
00:58:44,089 --> 00:58:39,960
was a definite connection between

1243
00:58:47,870 --> 00:58:44,099
between the opposition of Mars and the

1244
00:58:51,170 --> 00:58:47,880
social science and we had that in 54 and

1245
00:58:53,809 --> 00:58:51,180
in 52. I've often thought that it might

1246
00:58:56,030 --> 00:58:53,819
be because the people are out observing

1247
00:58:58,670 --> 00:58:56,040
Mars looking up at Mars because it's

1248
00:59:03,010 --> 00:58:58,680
close and therefore see more things that

1249
00:59:07,130 --> 00:59:03,020
are going on the sky but as Mr Michelle

1250
00:59:10,490 --> 00:59:07,140
writes in my latest bulletin there does

1251
00:59:13,010 --> 00:59:10,500
seem to be a cycle and I really expect

1252
00:59:17,150 --> 00:59:13,020
the heaviest concentration of sightings

1253
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:17,160
to occur around October because it seems

1254
00:59:22,849 --> 00:59:20,400
as if the heaviest point of fighting

1255
00:59:27,710 --> 00:59:22,859
doesn't come right at the opposition of

1256
00:59:30,829 --> 00:59:27,720
Mars but about a month afterwards and uh

1257
00:59:32,690 --> 00:59:30,839
I agree with Mr Michelle in that article

1258
00:59:35,690 --> 00:59:32,700
he did for my thought in that respect

1259
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:35,700
and I have been receiving more reports

1260
00:59:39,770 --> 00:59:38,400
through the mail and uh over here

1261
00:59:43,370 --> 00:59:39,780
starting and so on that's some

1262
00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:43,380
indication of how many have been seen I

1263
00:59:48,589 --> 00:59:45,359
called up the land Stringfield in

1264
00:59:50,690 --> 00:59:48,599
Cincinnati the other night and uh he

1265
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:50,700
says that these sightings are coming

1266
00:59:58,609 --> 00:59:54,240
into him at a much greater uh greater

1267
01:00:02,270 --> 00:59:58,619
space they tend to have Peaks and no

1268
01:00:04,730 --> 01:00:02,280
points it may be that that after this uh

1269
01:00:06,130 --> 01:00:04,740
this opposition of Mars that they may

1270
01:00:10,130 --> 01:00:06,140
fall off again

1271
01:00:13,250 --> 01:00:10,140
uh can I reveal any significant changes

1272
01:00:16,970 --> 01:00:13,260
in air force speaking in the past year

1273
01:00:21,049 --> 01:00:16,980
uh no I believe such a change would be

1274
01:00:25,730 --> 01:00:21,059
difficult to see uh the Air Force is

1275
01:00:27,890 --> 01:00:25,740
still on the same party line that the

1276
01:00:29,410 --> 01:00:27,900
most of the sightings could be explained

1277
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:29,420
logically

1278
01:00:34,849 --> 01:00:32,640
however they will not go out on them and

1279
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:34,859
say that the saucers are not from space

1280
01:00:41,809 --> 01:00:37,440
they never said that they lay themselves

1281
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:41,819
a a loophole to get around they say that

1282
01:00:46,430 --> 01:00:44,880
they try to hint that they aren't and

1283
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:46,440
make us believe they aren't that they

1284
01:00:51,049 --> 01:00:48,000
don't definitely say that they aren't

1285
01:00:53,410 --> 01:00:51,059
and I think if they send on saucers with

1286
01:00:55,549 --> 01:00:53,420
the Air Force has been about the same

1287
01:00:58,730 --> 01:00:55,559
over the years

1288
01:01:02,150 --> 01:00:58,740
uh you're asking if the only people who

1289
01:01:06,109 --> 01:01:02,160
were visited were those who obtained uh

1290
01:01:07,930 --> 01:01:06,119
fragments from UFOs are those not in

1291
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:07,940
entirely right

1292
01:01:14,569 --> 01:01:12,480
Mr Bender had a fragment of a fireball

1293
01:01:17,390 --> 01:01:14,579
which went to a train board in

1294
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:17,400
Connecticut before uh matter occurred to

1295
01:01:22,609 --> 01:01:19,680
him however he told us that had nothing

1296
01:01:25,670 --> 01:01:22,619
to do with his troubles

1297
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:25,680
and there's some other cases uh if there

1298
01:01:31,370 --> 01:01:27,359
are no fragments seemed to have been

1299
01:01:33,650 --> 01:01:31,380
involved but it seems in my mind to to

1300
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:33,660
be either one of two things they have

1301
01:01:39,950 --> 01:01:36,960
some kind of definite evidence and they

1302
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:39,960
have a fragment of a UFO or they have

1303
01:01:44,690 --> 01:01:42,720
some other kind of evidence any any

1304
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:44,700
definite evidence that would surely

1305
01:01:50,030 --> 01:01:47,040
crack this thing open uh whether that's

1306
01:01:52,609 --> 01:01:50,040
a fragment or some other kind of proof

1307
01:01:55,069 --> 01:01:52,619
do you think Georgia county has ever

1308
01:01:56,510 --> 01:01:55,079
been in the state you know uh well

1309
01:01:59,210 --> 01:01:56,520
that's really difficult question to

1310
01:02:02,030 --> 01:01:59,220
answer first of all it's a it's not very

1311
01:02:05,089 --> 01:02:02,040
ethical for one author to comment on the

1312
01:02:06,589 --> 01:02:05,099
work of another uh frankly I don't want

1313
01:02:10,670 --> 01:02:06,599
to believe it and maybe that's a very

1314
01:02:13,069 --> 01:02:10,680
narrow-minded opinion I took but um over

1315
01:02:17,150 --> 01:02:13,079
the years since he's read his first book

1316
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:17,160
I've I've begun to think that there

1317
01:02:22,370 --> 01:02:20,160
probably is some truth in his books and

1318
01:02:25,789 --> 01:02:22,380
I certainly like the first book better

1319
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:25,799
than I do the second one and they have

1320
01:02:29,150 --> 01:02:27,599
come to this point and I'm still a

1321
01:02:32,030 --> 01:02:29,160
little confused as to what to believe

1322
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:32,040
but I believe that Georgia danski does

1323
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:34,799
have some very important knowledge he

1324
01:02:40,849 --> 01:02:38,400
has had some experiences now whether uh

1325
01:02:43,130 --> 01:02:40,859
in the matter of writing a book that the

1326
01:02:45,650 --> 01:02:43,140
public could understand he may have

1327
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:45,660
taken some editorial license I don't

1328
01:02:52,190 --> 01:02:49,680
know but adanski is certainly not a man

1329
01:02:54,650 --> 01:02:52,200
to to discount at this time I don't

1330
01:02:57,410 --> 01:02:54,660
think do I think that Bender will ever

1331
01:03:02,089 --> 01:02:57,420
reveal his experiences I don't know

1332
01:03:04,670 --> 01:03:02,099
however uh he didn't tell me that when

1333
01:03:07,250 --> 01:03:04,680
uh and yes he could be all the

1334
01:03:08,930 --> 01:03:07,260
information that I would be the first to

1335
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:08,940
know I didn't know what his position is

1336
01:03:13,910 --> 01:03:11,280
on it now he did not want me to write a

1337
01:03:15,829 --> 01:03:13,920
book about it and I called him up before

1338
01:03:19,010 --> 01:03:15,839
I read it and he said don't write it but

1339
01:03:21,170 --> 01:03:19,020
I went ahead anyway and did it so uh I

1340
01:03:23,390 --> 01:03:21,180
don't know he said another thing that's

1341
01:03:25,069 --> 01:03:23,400
most interesting he we asked him if the

1342
01:03:27,650 --> 01:03:25,079
when the government would tell the

1343
01:03:29,690 --> 01:03:27,660
people about saucers he said if not

1344
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:29,700
within the next five months I believe

1345
01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:31,680
four months within the next five years

1346
01:03:35,089 --> 01:03:33,839
well they certainly didn't within the

1347
01:03:38,930 --> 01:03:35,099
next four months

1348
01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:38,940
about five years would take us to 57 and

1349
01:03:45,170 --> 01:03:41,760
1957 is the international geophysical

1350
01:03:47,630 --> 01:03:45,180
year as you know when we will have a set

1351
01:03:50,450 --> 01:03:47,640
of satellite up when uh people will be

1352
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:50,460
greatly cautious of space travel perhaps

1353
01:03:57,049 --> 01:03:53,520
Bender knew about that being involved in

1354
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:57,059
some rocket societies and that that was

1355
01:04:02,030 --> 01:03:58,799
the reason he said in about five years

1356
01:04:05,329 --> 01:04:02,040
maybe he felt that in 1957 would be a

1357
01:04:09,049 --> 01:04:05,339
good time for the government to tell the

1358
01:04:12,530 --> 01:04:09,059
people about anyway in 1857 promises to

1359
01:04:14,809 --> 01:04:12,540
be a most interesting year for us how do

1360
01:04:16,490 --> 01:04:14,819
I think the Marshall monster Compares

1361
01:04:20,030 --> 01:04:16,500
with the Five Points monster and why do

1362
01:04:22,490 --> 01:04:20,040
I think of it I tend to believe that it

1363
01:04:24,890 --> 01:04:22,500
did happen based upon the people I have

1364
01:04:26,569 --> 01:04:24,900
talked to who have investigated it I

1365
01:04:29,210 --> 01:04:26,579
have not had an opportunity to go there

1366
01:04:33,170 --> 01:04:29,220
and talk to the people myself there were

1367
01:04:35,030 --> 01:04:33,180
some very similar uh things about if

1368
01:04:37,130 --> 01:04:35,040
you'll get my briefcases down there

1369
01:04:38,809 --> 01:04:37,140
maybe I can remember this the little one

1370
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:38,819
the little one I have a newspaper

1371
01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:40,559
account someone read a story there about

1372
01:04:45,589 --> 01:04:43,200
it and maybe I can I just read you

1373
01:04:47,809 --> 01:04:45,599
something on that which which I thought

1374
01:04:49,250 --> 01:04:47,819
was interesting because it did sound

1375
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:49,260
similar

1376
01:04:53,030 --> 01:04:51,359
looking at that this morning in fact I

1377
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:53,040
was trying to get a hold of Sid Taylor

1378
01:04:57,530 --> 01:04:55,200
who wrote the story for the paper but I

1379
01:04:58,370 --> 01:04:57,540
found out that he is not with the paper

1380
01:05:00,710 --> 01:04:58,380
now

1381
01:05:05,030 --> 01:05:00,720
this is interesting and there was an

1382
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:05,040
odor about the monster at Marshall uh

1383
01:05:10,970 --> 01:05:09,119
the boys uh described it in various ways

1384
01:05:14,089 --> 01:05:10,980
in this newspaper story they said it was

1385
01:05:16,069 --> 01:05:14,099
Mike gasoline and uh they described it

1386
01:05:18,770 --> 01:05:16,079
somebody else to another person but the

1387
01:05:20,510 --> 01:05:18,780
way it turns out is that they did smell

1388
01:05:23,210 --> 01:05:20,520
some odor which is a little hard to

1389
01:05:26,150 --> 01:05:23,220
explain another thing is the strangeness

1390
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:26,160
of its walk uh one of the boys was asked

1391
01:05:31,250 --> 01:05:28,559
to describe the monsters were quote it

1392
01:05:33,530 --> 01:05:31,260
took big long stride Herman said

1393
01:05:35,270 --> 01:05:33,540
what did the car what did the monster do

1394
01:05:38,030 --> 01:05:35,280
when the car lights headed it took the

1395
01:05:39,950 --> 01:05:38,040
strides faster he reported asked to

1396
01:05:42,650 --> 01:05:39,960
demonstrate how it walked he took a step

1397
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:42,660
and stopped turned around and smiled and

1398
01:05:47,630 --> 01:05:44,640
said he couldn't he couldn't because

1399
01:05:49,789 --> 01:05:47,640
Claudia didn't walk like a man that is

1400
01:05:52,609 --> 01:05:49,799
it didn't balance as a man has a

1401
01:05:54,770 --> 01:05:52,619
tendency to do when he is running it

1402
01:05:58,490 --> 01:05:54,780
sort of glided now listen to that it

1403
01:06:01,250 --> 01:05:58,500
sort of glided and uh this newspaper

1404
01:06:02,990 --> 01:06:01,260
story is comparing this I sent up the

1405
01:06:05,030 --> 01:06:03,000
seller who wrote the story a copy of the

1406
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:05,040
book uh he read a previous story to this

1407
01:06:10,730 --> 01:06:08,640
and he's taking this book and he quotes

1408
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:10,740
me in my interview with a one of the

1409
01:06:15,890 --> 01:06:13,440
boys who saw the Flatwoods Monster

1410
01:06:17,750 --> 01:06:15,900
I asked him to walk around the room now

1411
01:06:19,789 --> 01:06:17,760
this is a boy I'm questioning about the

1412
01:06:21,170 --> 01:06:19,799
front witch monster and where he is

1413
01:06:23,569 --> 01:06:21,180
being interviewed and to imitate the

1414
01:06:26,690 --> 01:06:23,579
movement of the same that was impossible

1415
01:06:29,150 --> 01:06:26,700
he said I couldn't move this it did it

1416
01:06:32,150 --> 01:06:29,160
just moved it didn't work it just moved

1417
01:06:34,130 --> 01:06:32,160
evenly it didn't jump and now here are

1418
01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:34,140
two people trying to describe some sort

1419
01:06:38,390 --> 01:06:35,760
of walk that they've never seen before

1420
01:06:41,089 --> 01:06:38,400
and they end up sort of saying that it's

1421
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:41,099
kind of Glide if you're afraid so

1422
01:06:44,630 --> 01:06:42,720
there's a similarity

1423
01:06:46,370 --> 01:06:44,640
well I don't have Benny's address with

1424
01:06:48,349 --> 01:06:46,380
me it's a

1425
01:06:51,410 --> 01:06:48,359
I should like to give it out for this

1426
01:06:53,329 --> 01:06:51,420
reason that uh that since this thing has

1427
01:06:55,490 --> 01:06:53,339
happened some people have got to them

1428
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:55,500
and he says I have annoyed him

1429
01:06:59,270 --> 01:06:57,119
considerably because he just doesn't

1430
01:07:01,309 --> 01:06:59,280
want to talk about it and I wouldn't

1431
01:07:04,250 --> 01:07:01,319
want to be the person who who gave out

1432
01:07:06,349 --> 01:07:04,260
the address and if I did and you went to

1433
01:07:09,170 --> 01:07:06,359
see him he wouldn't uh he wouldn't talk

1434
01:07:12,049 --> 01:07:09,180
to you about it because that's been been

1435
01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:12,059
tried but uh he does live in Bridgeport

1436
01:07:17,930 --> 01:07:14,640
Connecticut and uh is going about a very

1437
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:17,940
normal existence about two years after

1438
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:20,640
all of the existence uh occurred he was

1439
01:07:25,990 --> 01:07:23,280
married occasionally I have heard from

1440
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:26,000
him however he doesn't discuss saucers

1441
01:07:32,210 --> 01:07:29,520
he is an executive of some sort not a

1442
01:07:35,210 --> 01:07:32,220
really big executive but a whole some

1443
01:07:39,109 --> 01:07:35,220
executive position and the Acme Shear

1444
01:07:41,630 --> 01:07:39,119
plant in Bridgeport they make sizzlies

1445
01:07:44,150 --> 01:07:41,640
ordinary scissors as I said he's going

1446
01:07:47,510 --> 01:07:44,160
about his life just as you and I did

1447
01:07:48,829 --> 01:07:47,520
before we take up saucers only only he

1448
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:48,839
just doesn't want to have anything more

1449
01:07:54,490 --> 01:07:51,119
to do with him so you want to the

1450
01:07:56,809 --> 01:07:54,500
memorial island incident there's uh yes

1451
01:07:58,789 --> 01:07:56,819
that really comes from one of the first

1452
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:58,799
books and a very interesting one called

1453
01:08:02,390 --> 01:08:00,480
the cunning of the saucers written by

1454
01:08:06,170 --> 01:08:02,400
Kenneth Arnold and published by Ray

1455
01:08:09,650 --> 01:08:06,180
Palmer in Murray Island and at Tacoma

1456
01:08:10,789 --> 01:08:09,660
Washington uh some donuts shaped obvious

1457
01:08:16,249 --> 01:08:10,799
reciting

1458
01:08:18,530 --> 01:08:16,259
uh by two Harbor patrolmen these discs

1459
01:08:20,930 --> 01:08:18,540
are Dennis shaped obviously to be in

1460
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:20,940
trouble they expelled some sort of

1461
01:08:26,329 --> 01:08:24,000
residue from them which uh with a kind

1462
01:08:28,970 --> 01:08:26,339
of slag which fell all around them and I

1463
01:08:32,030 --> 01:08:28,980
understand killed a dog and injured one

1464
01:08:34,729 --> 01:08:32,040
of the kids that was with them uh after

1465
01:08:37,550 --> 01:08:34,739
that uh Air Force investigators came in

1466
01:08:41,150 --> 01:08:37,560
and checked some of this material and uh

1467
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:41,160
in their plane and the plane dead crash

1468
01:08:45,769 --> 01:08:43,440
and around in mysterious circumstances

1469
01:08:48,130 --> 01:08:45,779
as they were taking off however I

1470
01:08:51,169 --> 01:08:48,140
understand that there was other residue

1471
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:51,179
which was preserved and which some

1472
01:08:57,470 --> 01:08:54,719
people still have the project Foster the

1473
01:09:00,249 --> 01:08:57,480
old Air Force Agency for investigating

1474
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:00,259
saucers uh poo poo the idea considerably

1475
01:09:06,590 --> 01:09:04,319
they said they had exposed the the Maury

1476
01:09:10,849 --> 01:09:06,600
Allen thing as a hoax

1477
01:09:13,789 --> 01:09:10,859
and these were only slag these fragments

1478
01:09:16,970 --> 01:09:13,799
in the repelled book he says that it was

1479
01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:16,980
a hoax I report something about that in

1480
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:18,719
my book incidentally I think it was very

1481
01:09:22,610 --> 01:09:20,400
interesting and I certainly am not

1482
01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:22,620
saying there's lots of hoax until I have

1483
01:09:29,769 --> 01:09:25,920
some done that uh proof that it was but

1484
01:09:33,229 --> 01:09:29,779
can be said and on about the fireballs

1485
01:09:35,689 --> 01:09:33,239
you're probably most of you thinking

1486
01:09:38,950 --> 01:09:35,699
about the green balls of the Southwest

1487
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:38,960
which uh Dr Lapeer but believed has

1488
01:09:45,550 --> 01:09:41,759
investigated that is one of the most

1489
01:09:49,669 --> 01:09:45,560
programming cases of UFOs on record

1490
01:09:52,610 --> 01:09:49,679
the things are seen traveling at Great

1491
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:52,620
rates of speed and then exploding where

1492
01:09:58,250 --> 01:09:55,440
the tremendous Splash how however no

1493
01:10:02,390 --> 01:09:58,260
noise is heard if those were real

1494
01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:02,400
meteors such as Dr lepair you certainly

1495
01:10:06,890 --> 01:10:04,320
would hear them because they would sound

1496
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:06,900
as loud as a freight train and neither

1497
01:10:12,890 --> 01:10:10,320
as I understand or have any fragments

1498
01:10:14,990 --> 01:10:12,900
that have been found but I would assume

1499
01:10:17,630 --> 01:10:15,000
that those projects are highly

1500
01:10:20,810 --> 01:10:17,640
classified and that if something was

1501
01:10:23,630 --> 01:10:20,820
found it would be secret do I still

1502
01:10:24,530 --> 01:10:23,640
finding sauces are lurking in our outer

1503
01:10:27,470 --> 01:10:24,540
space

1504
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:27,480
uh but that do you mean possibly an

1505
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:29,280
error uh just about our atmosphere

1506
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:33,360
around our Earth yes I certainly think

1507
01:10:36,770 --> 01:10:34,560
they must

1508
01:10:38,990 --> 01:10:36,780
be around somewhere pretty close and

1509
01:10:42,169 --> 01:10:39,000
then keep around closer we see so many

1510
01:10:46,669 --> 01:10:42,179
of them uh some of the astronomers were

1511
01:10:49,490 --> 01:10:46,679
looking uh recently for satellites

1512
01:10:51,729 --> 01:10:49,500
which some people headed were artificial

1513
01:10:54,770 --> 01:10:51,739
which was circling the earth

1514
01:10:56,689 --> 01:10:54,780
they tried to pass these off as Little

1515
01:10:57,470 --> 01:10:56,699
Moons which they may or may not have

1516
01:11:00,590 --> 01:10:57,480
been

1517
01:11:03,110 --> 01:11:00,600
uh Jeff uh Final Bosses are coming here

1518
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:03,120
from another planet and if they are

1519
01:11:08,689 --> 01:11:05,280
somehow Limited in

1520
01:11:10,430 --> 01:11:08,699
speed range and so forth it would might

1521
01:11:13,790 --> 01:11:10,440
be logical that they would have

1522
01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:13,800
installed around the earth uh rather

1523
01:11:19,790 --> 01:11:16,800
large space stations or perhaps the

1524
01:11:23,390 --> 01:11:19,800
mother ships that we hear about to

1525
01:11:26,090 --> 01:11:23,400
service these machines and that is very

1526
01:11:28,810 --> 01:11:26,100
interesting to think about and we do

1527
01:11:32,990 --> 01:11:28,820
have some proof that there's something

1528
01:11:34,850 --> 01:11:33,000
out there orbiting the Earth because the

1529
01:11:38,209 --> 01:11:34,860
astronomers have been looking for them

1530
01:11:41,450 --> 01:11:38,219
these games the shaver mystery which it

1531
01:11:43,550 --> 01:11:41,460
causes the most controversy that perhaps

1532
01:11:46,430 --> 01:11:43,560
women shouldn't talk about it in my book

1533
01:11:47,770 --> 01:11:46,440
I'm certainly not saying that I accepted

1534
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:47,780
100

1535
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:50,880
I'm just reporting it because it is

1536
01:11:54,410 --> 01:11:53,040
interesting and it seemed to fit in with

1537
01:11:57,770 --> 01:11:54,420
some of the things we were doing at the

1538
01:12:00,250 --> 01:11:57,780
time of the Bender mystery now as far as

1539
01:12:02,689 --> 01:12:00,260
what the D Rose look like shaver

1540
01:12:07,070 --> 01:12:02,699
explained that they look something like

1541
01:12:10,490 --> 01:12:07,080
people but um but very uh degenerate

1542
01:12:13,250 --> 01:12:10,500
looking people uh something uh maybe

1543
01:12:16,370 --> 01:12:13,260
like the witch's uh pictured as looking

1544
01:12:19,189 --> 01:12:16,380
maybe a bit uh Haggard and dried up

1545
01:12:20,209 --> 01:12:19,199
looking very evil looking and that sort

1546
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:20,219
of thing

1547
01:12:26,290 --> 01:12:24,000
uh you're asking uh these monsters which

1548
01:12:30,530 --> 01:12:26,300
we have talked about can they be robots

1549
01:12:33,229 --> 01:12:30,540
but down here by the saucer people to

1550
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:33,239
investigate things such as fault mines

1551
01:12:38,510 --> 01:12:36,480
or trying to help us in some way in

1552
01:12:41,450 --> 01:12:38,520
other words uh coming into parallel

1553
01:12:43,729 --> 01:12:41,460
territory where the actual people exists

1554
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:43,739
would not like to come but instead they

1555
01:12:51,290 --> 01:12:47,760
may send some robot or a man like robot

1556
01:12:55,090 --> 01:12:51,300
down here to uh to find out now I think

1557
01:12:57,950 --> 01:12:55,100
that's logical uh the Redwood monster

1558
01:13:00,709 --> 01:12:57,960
and start being out in the book does

1559
01:13:02,990 --> 01:13:00,719
sound something like a robot it looks

1560
01:13:04,130 --> 01:13:03,000
like our conception of one at least to

1561
01:13:07,130 --> 01:13:04,140
some degree

1562
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:07,140
and uh oh it there's some of those

1563
01:13:11,870 --> 01:13:09,360
monsters which is so terrifying to us

1564
01:13:15,770 --> 01:13:11,880
simply could be maybe some ordinary

1565
01:13:18,290 --> 01:13:15,780
looking uh creature in a spacesuit which

1566
01:13:19,729 --> 01:13:18,300
might look pretty spooky to us it's

1567
01:13:23,410 --> 01:13:19,739
pretty logical

1568
01:13:25,669 --> 01:13:23,420
but they might spend down a mechanical

1569
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:25,679
contrivance of some kind that could get

1570
01:13:31,250 --> 01:13:29,040
around like a man and collect some of

1571
01:13:33,770 --> 01:13:31,260
this information which they surely would

1572
01:13:35,689 --> 01:13:33,780
be able to do and send back their radio

1573
01:13:38,330 --> 01:13:35,699
to a ship

1574
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:38,340
I believe that all the time we have

1575
01:13:48,189 --> 01:13:39,840
thank you very much I wish I could

1576
01:13:54,229 --> 01:13:50,810
thank you all folks for coming here

1577
01:13:57,050 --> 01:13:54,239
tonight and uh participating in this